Setup sheets / Info

[razzor]

Post all setup sheets and info here.
Please keep the posts relevant to the thread for setup info aswell as reasons for changes you made etc...

[razzor]

Skeller's first run setup.

Front.....

Shocks-
Stock Caster socks with 1.5 piston
Mugen 350 oil
Caster red springs
Outside mounting position at tower and arm
with 3mm preload clips
Diff- Mugen 5k
Upper arm pin inserts up
Upper arm caster clips in the back of arms
Camber setup for the main....... -4deg

Center diff

Stock Caster spur gear
Mugen 5k



Rear


Shocks
Stock Caster shocks with 1.5 piston
Mugen 300 oil
Caster red springs
Outside mounting position at tower and arms
3mm pre-load clip
Diff Mugen 3k
Upper arm at tower in center hole
Upper arm at upright in outside hole
Upright pin in lower hole
Camber setup for main........ -5deg

Clutch.....Mugen 13t bell, Mugen Alum. shoes and 1.0 springs
Tires
Panther Gators....soft compound

Engine.....Pro Twister Mod Go Tech 3R
Fuel........Tilted 30%

[razzor]

Janderson78 setup info.
I just copied from bits here and there.
I assume what isnt mentioned is std as per kit.

Diffs = 7-10-3
Shocks Front = 4 x 1.5mm holes and 40 weight oil
Rear = 2 x 1.5...

[razzor]

My current setup

Front.....

Stock Caster shocks with 1.5 x3 pistons
GS 35wt oil
Caster red springs
2nd from outside mounting position on tower
outside on a-arm
with 3mm preload clips
Diff- GS 7000wt
Upper arm pin inserts up
Upper arm full forward
Camber -2deg
Ackerman center
droop max

Center diff....

Stock Caster spur gear
GS 5000wt
OFNA real brake pads

Rear....

Stock Caster shocks with 1.5 x3 piston
GS 35wt oil
Caster red springs
3rd from outside mounting position at tower
3mm preload clips
Diff GS 3000wt
Upper arm at tower in center/inner hole
Upper arm at upright in outside hole
Upright pin in upper hole
Camber setup for main........ -3deg
Wing - J Concepts HD
Wing position -

o o -- o o
o o -- o o

Clutch - TeamMagic Hardened 13t bell
Clutch shoes - Caster 1x Alum. shoes, 2x nylon
Clutch springs - Caster 1mm
Tires - Caster ZB02 with GRP moulded inserts or GRP Atomic
Body std Caster


Engine - AxeMotorRossi Cobra X1 Evolution
Pipe - Jammin JP3
Fuel - Stinger 25%

[skeller]

Just an idea....tell me what you guys think.



Has anyone thought about having a team group chat once a week or 2x a month? We can go over setups and keep the team guys aware of product release dates.....any new problems/solutions that each of may come across.

[vnmsgt]

we were supposed to have team meetings in the chat room but did it only once I think. I think it would be cool.

[razzor]

Well thats part what this thread is for to share info.
I am and have been learning a lot and the one thing i would like to learn a lot more is chassis setup for offroad.

[hakmazter]

Set up a time and go there. It is just collecting dust. It is unrecorded so you can talk about whatever and it doesn't matter. You can see who joins and when..... It is perfect for just bsing or for a group meeting...If we get a lot of people at the same time, it will be like trying to write on the comment section at rclive......20 conversations at once.......

[razzor]

Jonathan Bell K8T setup.

Front shock location-tower-one in from outside-arm-outside hole
Rear shock location-tower-one in from outside-arm-inside hole
track width-about 3 threads showing on lower balls(adjust camber with upper ball after setting track width)
2 deg camber all round.
upper arm -one spacer behind-one in front
shocks-BB's-45wt front-50back-blue springs all around
rear camber link-inner lower on tower-upper outside hub
wheelbase-long
hole in rear hub-upper
Droop(shock length)front-111mm-rear-124mm
brake bias-70/30
diffs-7/10/3
ride height-front-arms level-rear-level or a tick above for a little more steering
engine-ninja bo1a
clutch-caster carbon/1.0 springs
pipe-jp3
tires and foams-panther gators 38's/ofna red foams.
Swaybar length about 5mm showing all around.

[razzor]

If guys want to chat about something then put up a notice in the forum with a time and then the guys can go to the chat room for a meeting, chat etc.
Only thing though is if its constructive you dont have it stored like in a thread.

[vnmsgt]

Well I changed my whole setup to SKELLER'S set up and drove the buggy today for practice and it was AWESOME!!! My push on power is practically gone and I still have plenty of off power steering! I could drive alot more through a turn now. Just what I wanted. ?&^

[skeller]

Well I changed my whole setup to SKELLER'S set up and drove the buggy today for practice and it was AWESOME!!! My push on power is practically gone and I still have plenty of off power steering! I could drive alot more through a turn now. Just what I wanted. ?&^



SWEET!!!!!!!!

[hakmazter]

But is it really Skeller's setup???

Did you ever report your personal track times, Shane? Just wondering if you went forwards or backwards....I have been scanning through everything and am drawing a blank....

Mike

[skeller]

I will say this....I just came in from my local track. My usual pit guy was there as was the track owner....they will not lie to me.


Pit boy said....." I think you may be a tick slower....but every lap is exactly the same....which should mean you would be faster in the long run."


The track was dry and hadn't been groomed at all in a month.
I changed the rear shock locations at the tower to the 3rd hole down from the top....rear became a little more stable. The guys watching also comented on how forgiving the car was on the track. I do have some video....from the same track as in the vid I posted last week. I'm fixin' to look at it and see if I can get some posted.

[bc24fl]

I will say this....I just came in from my local track. My usual pit guy was there as was the track owner....they will not lie to me.


Pit boy said....." I think you may be a tick slower....but every lap is exactly the same....which should mean you would be faster in the long run."


The track was dry and hadn't been groomed at all in a month.
I changed the rear shock locations at the tower to the 3rd hole down from the top....rear became a little more stable. The guys watching also comented on how forgiving the car was on the track. I do have some video....from the same track as in the vid I posted last week. I'm fixin' to look at it and see if I can get some posted.

How would you compare the two (ocm vs caster)?

[hakmazter]

Well, that is definitely encouraging for several reasons then...

unprepped track...

buggy you have driven 2 or 3 times ever?

more consistancy...

and by the way, there is a rumor that Caster's get faster as the day progresses....

Good to know, thank you.

We like video....

[skeller]

How would you compare the two (ocm vs caster)?


When I post the vid....you tell me.

[bc24fl]

Hurry lets see vid... who's faster????



http://www.bloodsweatandgearscarclub.com/_borders/arg-nomad-blackbg-50-url.gif vs http://www1.bestgraph.com/gifs/animaux/kangourous/kangourous-14.gif

[razzor]

Good to hear Skeller, consistency is a huge factor in racing since you dont get a prize for a fast lap.

[vnmsgt]

The guys watching also comented on how forgiving the car was on the track.

That is one thing I love about it and is a main reason I like driving buggies again since I had my 8ight which I never liked driving.

[skeller]

OK...here it is!!I'm posting 2 vids....the first you have already seen with the OCM. It's under race conditions on a very grooved track that's dusty.

Second is from yesterday with the Caster....same track...but hasn't been driven on since the race in the 1st vid....not race conditions.

What do ya'll think?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c97czXcEv1s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-StpUzMWKqg

[bc24fl]

Well I think the best person that can answer that is you but from my novice eye it appears that the ocm is a tad lighter and a tad more maneuverable especially on the corners.

What does everyone else think?

[Mr Fusion]

I can't make any judgements based on the video.. the track condition is too different. SK, how would you compare the jumping? Those jumps really kick the rear in the air... both cars.

If anything, I thought the Caster was cornering better, given the really loose track.

[vnmsgt]

I think the caster was cornering better and he was able to power out of the turns better. The OCM looked like he was backing off in the middle of the turns to prevent the rear from coming around. Definetly took the 180 turn at the end of the straight better than the OCM too. As far as acceleration the Caster looked it would pull like crazy on the OCM! Right after the first quarter of the straight right till the end the Caster looks like it was a rocket! I know both vids were under different conditions but if I was just judging how the car looked I would say Caster all the way.

[skeller]

OK....I personally feel that the Caster was alot more stable and planted. It should have been a little slower just because of the different tack conditions and lack of turn marshalls. No matter how much you try to drive like your really racing....you know there's only 2 marshalls on the track instead of 8....so the object is mainly to stay on all 4 no matter what.
That being said....I think I was still less than 1 sec. slower with the Caster per lap.


They jumped about the same but the Caster responed better in the air to brake/throttle input....probably cause it's a little shorter than the OCM. That really makes it easy to cover up your mistakes

Definately comes out of the corner faster....also held the line through the last 180 deg. turn alot better. That was my slowest area before.


I think I may be a little too soft on the shock oil...seemed the rear was a little springy. I also may move the upper shock mounts down a hole or two to give a more progressive feel in the front.

[vnmsgt]

OK....I personally feel that the Caster was alot more stable and planted.

really makes it easy to cover up your mistakes

Definately comes out of the corner faster....also held the line through the last 180 deg. turn alot better. That was my slowest area before.


Same thing everyone says when they drive the Caster ZX1-R even after driving the Losi 8, Mugen MBX5-R, Jammin X1-CR and now the OCM EVO!!!

[Mr Fusion]

See how it does with the big bores.. might change the way it jumps. :)

[skeller]

Big bores may make a difference....it has alot to do with the jump surface as well.



Overall I'm pleased with the buggy....we'll see how I do this weekend.

[hakmazter]

I noticed that you made it 4.25 laps in 1.51 second video with the OCM and you made it 3.5 laps in 1.31 with the Caster and you pulled off at the end. You looked way smoother with the OCM, but I am sure that is because of track conditions and because it is probably the third time you drove the new buggy. What did impress me is that when you looked out of control with the Caster, you didn't crash. And yes, it was cornering much better...

[bc24fl]

Wow I def have alot to learn as the OCM appeared to be more responsive on the turns and out. Thanks for the vids skeller.

You're a big asset here and AGAIN welcome.

[hakmazter]

I think you will have a screaming machine on your hands when you figure it out...

[Jonathan Bell]

I say the caster looked definately easier to drive. For me though I would try to dial in more steering entry to mid. Heavier in the rear shocks should help that also.

[skeller]

I noticed that you made it 4.25 laps in 1.51 second video with the OCM and you made it 3.5 laps in 1.31 with the Caster and you pulled off at the end. You looked way smoother with the OCM, but I am sure that is because of track conditions and because it is probably the third time you drove the new buggy. What did impress me is that when you looked out of control with the Caster, you didn't crash. And yes, it was cornering much better...


Second time to drive the Caster.....and it was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier to drive under the poor conditions than the OCM was under much better conditions.

It does seem to stall a bit in mid corner....but that also may go away some as I get the setup a little closer.

[hakmazter]

I also noticed that with the OCM, you look like you are in the movie Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift. To be able to control a car that slides around like that is honestly amazing.....You will probably be bored driving the Caster....

[skeller]

I say the caster looked definately easier to drive. For me though I would try to dial in more steering entry to mid. Heavier in the rear shocks should help that also.


I was thinking the same as well...I've got the toe out set at 1 1/2 deg to help with turn in....i made that adjustment on the fly at my first race.

[skeller]

I also noticed that with the OCM, you look like you are in the movie Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift. To be able to control a car that slides around like that is honestly amazing.....You will probably be bored driving the Caster....

I come from 1/10 truck so I really don't like fighting a loose rear end....but you can't drive a buggy like a truck.:eek:

I wanna try the 2deg rear block.....is there a 2 1/2 deg block?

[hakmazter]

Nope, just 1,2,3...

[skeller]

Cool...I think the 3 will be the ticket most of the time. I will be leaving Fri morning for my next race....it's about 130 miles north of me...in Huntsville, Al. It's a real busy track with lots of air....Itll be a good test for the BB's.:D

[hakmazter]

Good luck over there...

[razzor]

Have to say the OCM looked a bit more nose heavy on the jumps and loose onpower unlike the Caster which looks more controllable when it breaks traction.
Caster definately looks more planted and stabil on a green track as you said.
Sure you will find more in it though ;)

[razzor]

JB's Big bore setup copied from another thread.

Front shock location-tower-one in from outside-arm-outside hole
Rear shock location-tower-one in from outside-arm-inside hole
track width-about 3 threads showing on lower balls(adjust camber with upper ball after setting track width)
upper arm -one spacer behind-one in front
shocks-BB's-45wt front-50back-blue springs all around
rear camber link-inner lower on tower-upper outside hub
wheelbase-long
hole in rear hub-upper
Droop(shock length)front-111mm-rear-124mm
brake bias-70/30
antisquat-bushing with hole down
camber-2* all around
diffs-7/10/3
ride height-front-arms level-rear-level or a tick above for a little more steering
engine-ninja bo1a
clutch-caster carbon/1.0 springs
pipe-jp3
tires and foams-panther gators 38's/ofna red foams.
Swaybar length about 5mm showing all around.